MyDD :: Class

Class

by RisingTide, Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:51:01 PM EST

Well, I'm just going to write this one up quick,as it's mostly a reaction to both Dr. Brin and DHinMI.

What does Hillary want, to get out of the race?

"In addition to seeking Obama's help in raising money to pay off some $20 million-plus in debts, Clinton is known to want Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians."

Wow. That... just blew me away. The lady has class. Is she asking for patronage, for seats in the new government? No, she's asking for a bit of aid to precisely the people Obama could help the most. Not herself, she seems to be saying sink or swim she can do it. But some of her fervent followers, she's asking Obama to help them. Which should be no problem -- a lot of her AA followers are solid liberal Democrats.

That lady got class. And even in the most dire situations, she continues to assert what her campaign has increasingly shown itself bereft of.

Hats off to Hillary!

My first pro-Hillary diary! benice.

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Says something, doesn't it, (2.00 / 1)

that Obama "supporters" are primarying good, liberal AA Dems, just because they support Hillary rather than Obama.

by aggieric on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:53:53 PM EST

why is the supporters in quotes? (2.00 / 1)

you should read skepticalbrotha's take on the whole matter. you might find it illuminating to look at what an actual constituent has to say.

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:55:05 PM EST
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I think this race is People Vs. Pundits (none / 0)

Hillary represents the voice of the people, saying no to the Pundits who keep telling her she is dead, to lie down and give up.

Not unlike the elite to America.

Did people see this story today? Banks are giving up on giving student loans to students who aren't going to elite colleges.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/02/busine ss/02loans.html

Student Loans Start to Bypass 2-Year Colleges
By JONATHAN D. GLATER

Some of the nation's biggest banks have closed their doors to students at community colleges, for-profit universities and other less competitive institutions, even as they continue to extend federally backed loans to students at the nation's top universities.

Citibank has been among the most aggressive in paring the list of colleges it serves. JPMorgan Chase, PNC and SunTrust say they have not dropped whole categories, but are cutting colleges as well. Some less-selective four-year colleges, like Eastern Oregon University and William Jessup University in Rocklin, Calif., say they have been summarily dropped by some lenders.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
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by architek on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:20:57 PM EST
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Hillary is much more generous to students ... (none / 0)

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/417/candida tes-on-education.html

I guess Obama doesn't have the guts to stick his neck out too far on this issue, just like healthcare.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
Confused by the 'Bailout' Lies?
Listen to NPR's The Giant Pool of Money

by architek on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:22:14 PM EST
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Solvency crisis is catching up to the banks (none / 0)

BearChase and others ain't doing so hot.

Besides, aren't the other ones a bit more risky (fewer rich parents co-signing, I'd wager)

I want Hillary out of the race, and soon. Not before Montana, not before South Dakota, but... when everything is said and done, then.

I'm just a hoi polloi, of course.

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:23:29 PM EST
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Re: Says something, doesn't it, (none / 0)

Says as much as Hillary 'supporters' doing the same thing.

What I will not do is cast a vote for Senator Obama, period. I will also not cast a vote for anyone who has endorsed him.

Whether or not you agree with the action....let's not pretend it's just one side's 'supporters' who are doing it.

by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:01:57 PM EST
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Re: Class (none / 0)

Clinton is known to want Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians.

So she wants him to betray some of his own supporters? Couldn't that be a bit problematic?

by libertyleft on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:55:03 PM EST

can we please take out the loaded language? (2.00 / 2)

In my opinion, helping to say that yes, Charlie Rangel is still a heck of a guy, is not wrong. It's something that really fits with Obama's style.

It would be interesting to see if Obama decides to wholeheartedly support only hillary supporters (which might seem like a betrayal).

But I think it's more like "these people stood up for me, even when it was a poor tactical decision. I'll make the good strategic decision, so long as you give a bit of help to my friends"

All's fair in love and war, and this is a DAMN SWEET deal from Hillary.

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:57:34 PM EST
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Re: Class (2.00 / 1)

I don't think it's a betrayal to jerk some of your supporters back into line when they are so far out of step with what is appropriate. It is the responsibility of the candidate.

The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.

by mtnspirit on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:17:23 PM EST
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... I think i'm missing your context (none / 0)

There are question marks all around my head.

What is unacceptable about primarying an elected official?

Or are you responding to something that I don't know about?

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:20:26 PM EST
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Re: ... I think i'm missing your context (none / 0)

Hmm...you really don't see how inappropriate it is to blackmail a candidate into endorsing your preferred candidate by threatening to run a race-based campaign against them?

The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.

by mtnspirit on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:33:36 PM EST
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Referring to skepticalbrotha's post (none / 0)

on the subject (on his blog). I do not understand how two black men can have a race-based campaign. Unless you mean horse race based, in which case I get your point, but I do not think it is inappropriate.

Ultimately, Rangel, Lewis, and all the others have to make the case to their districts about "what the hell were they doing going against what the district obviously wanted". It should be obvious -- they were playing for favors with Hillary. What is less obvious is that Obama is known to be much more conciliatory -- this was indeed a better bargain.

Well, I'd say that myself, if I was an elected representative of a non-energized district...

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:40:15 PM EST
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Re: Referring to skepticalbrotha's post (none / 0)

I went to skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com - I didn't see anything there yet.

do you have a link to it?

thanks

by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:46:24 PM EST
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Re: Class (none / 0)

This primary has contributed to numerous wounds, I would expect Obama to work to help heal them. It is consistent with his platform. I don't see how assisting toward healing can be construed as a "betrayal."

by whognu on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:17:52 PM EST
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Re: Class (none / 0)

If the healing involves Obama speaking against his own supporters who are involved in primary challenges, it seems like betrayal. Nothing wrong with speaking in favor of people who are just taking heat for being Clinton supporters, but if there are actual primary challengers that is a different story.

by libertyleft on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:34:49 PM EST
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Re: Class (none / 0)

Who's Dr. Brin?

by rfahey22 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:58:57 PM EST

David Brin (2.00 / 1)

http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/

Science Fiction Writer, Conspiracy Theorist, also a known Republican who posts non-trollish diaries on DailyKos.

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:10:47 PM EST
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Re: Class (2.00 / 1)

There was no organized effort of HRC's supporters to make life difficult for those who endorsed him nor where there threats of running an opponent either. That was sorely on his supporters end and he should do what he can to help his fellow black democrats unless it's his idea to replace them.

by Iceblinkjm on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:07:58 PM EST

There may not be an organized effort (2.00 / 1)

by Obama supporters, either. Politicians are ... mutable people, and they may have just seen a good time to run against, say, John Lewis, or someone else like that.

His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?

by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:12:08 PM EST
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Re: Class (none / 0)

Clinton is known to want Obama to assist black officials who endorsed her and who are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians.

Classy. I'm all for this.

In addition to seeking Obama's help in raising money to pay off some $20 million-plus in debts

Classy? Not so much. I see this in two parts. Money owed by the Clinton campaign to people/venues/etc. that were EXTERNAL to her campaign. I'm all for Obama helping to pay this off, should she leave the race. The tens of thousands of dollars she still owed Indiana University made the papers, here. Those places NEED that money.

The second part of it is the money owed TO CLINTON because she borrowed it from herself (and Bill). Sorry, but no. Paying millionaires back the millions they borrowed from themselves? Give me a break. I'm also not crazy about Obama paying off the salary of someone like Mark Penn. First, it's odd to pay the guy who ran the campaign AGAINST you and, second, he did a poor job. Clinton should stamp him "Defective" and send him back to the manufacturer for a refund!

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:21:52 PM EST

Re: Class (2.00 / 1)

Well done, Clinton. This shows that Senator Clinton is the person I've always wanted to believe that she is.

If Obama is the person I believe him to be, he will be glad to take that move and will do an excellent job doing it. I'm envisioning him holding campaign events in NY with Clinton, Rangel and others on stage with him. This could be a good direction for unity.

Thank you, RisingTide, for this diary.

by GreenHills on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:22:34 PM EST

thank you for this dairy... (none / 0)

and to be honest - when people around these parts criticized her for her loyalty, i was stunned. she is a class act as are you.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:06:12 PM EST

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